October 29, 1977 ā€“ Charles Grodin / Paul Simon (S3 E4)

Sketches are rated on a scale of 1-5 stars


COLD OPENING
having missed dress rehearsal, host is surprised to find that SNL is live


ā€” Ah, yes, the famous premise of Charles Grodin missing the dress rehearsal.
ā€” The concept of having an entire episode where the host doesnā€™t know how the show is run, doesnā€™t know itā€™s live, doesnā€™t know thereā€™s an audience, etc. is one of the most creative and intriguing ideas the show would ever do, and would go on to be one of SNLā€™s very few ā€œconceptual episodesā€ that deviates from the format of a normal episode.
ā€” I remember seeing the syndicated 60-minute version of this episode way back in early 2002, and despite going into the episode with eager anticipation after hearing so many things about the big running premise, I recall being underwhelmed by the result of it. Weā€™ll see if that opinion changes after this current viewing, 16 years later.
ā€” John: ā€œHe doesnā€™t smoke dope; heā€™s just not one of us.ā€
ā€” I liked the joke of everyone acting like itā€™s tragic that Charles forgot to get a gift for Garrett.
ā€” An overall great way to kick off tonightā€™s premise.
STARS: ****


OPENING MONTAGE
ā€” The jumbotron montage has been modified once again. For starters, the SNL logo is completely different, and I remember this being the logo they would go on to use for the rest of the season.
ā€” The guestsā€™ names are in the same font as the new SNL logo.
ā€” A new animated graphic of the NBC logo appears in a rolling ball throughout this.
ā€” New cast shots.
ā€” In Garrettā€™s shot, he does the same ā€œsuspiciously hiding a seemingly-stolen handbag while innocently smiling at the cameraā€ bit he does in the montage from the preceding two episodes. BTW, I canā€™t help but find it kinda racist that they gave the ā€œstealing a handbagā€ bit to the one black guy in the cast.
ā€” Laraineā€™s shot is a little strange. Not only does she not do anything beside stare stone-faced at the camera, but her shot is noticeably a few seconds shorter than the rest of the castā€™s.

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MONOLOGUE
(no synopsis available)

Ā 
ā€” Hmm, bright light bulbs surrounding the stage floor. I wonder if this is just for a guest performance tonight, or if itā€™s a now part of the overall look of the homebase stage.
ā€” A continuation of the cold opening, with Charles not knowing there was going to be an audience.
ā€” I liked his comment about how this ā€œlooks like a really cute showā€.
ā€” Wow, this was short.
STARS: **Ā½


UPDATE PROMO
Weekend Update reporter DAA works overtime, but doesnā€™t accomplish much

Ā Ā 
ā€” Another plane commercial with Dan.
ā€” A Weekend Update commercial!
ā€” I got a good laugh hearing Dan announced as an ā€œaward-winning newsmanā€.
ā€” Funny reveal of the typewriter a sleep-deprived Dan is using not having any paper.
ā€” Another surprisingly short segment.
STARS: ***Ā½


RETURN OF THE CONEHEADS
neighbors (BIM) & (GIR) investigate Coneheadsā€™ odd Halloween treats

Ā Ā Ā 
ā€” I remember seeing this when I was much younger, probably in one of SNLā€™s Halloween compilation specials. Back then, I recall loving one part where the Coneheads give trick-or-treaters an inappropriate gift, though I canā€™t remember what exactly it was.
ā€” The audience went nuts at the beginning when one of the Coneheads entered.
ā€” Ah, a 6-pack of beer. So THAT was the hilariously inappropriate gift I was trying to remember.
ā€” After growing back a slight mustache in the last two episodes, Dan has gone clean-shaven again.
ā€” Overall, this was a more straightforward installment compared to the extensive preceding Coneheads sketch where they travel back to their home planet, but this was still very strong and and one of the more memorable Coneheads installments.
ā€” Knowing how hugely influential SNL was in the 70s, I bet self-made Conehead costumes were a hot trend among SNL fans that Halloween.
STARS: ****Ā½


CHUCKā€™S FILM
hostā€™s long-winded set-up leaves little time for chase scene clip

Ā 
ā€” The clip getting cut off before anything interesting happened in it, and Charlesā€™ reaction to that is fairly funny.
ā€” Another short sketch.
STARS: ***


MUSICAL PERFORMANCE


CONSUMER PROBE
Irwin Mainway promotes some unsafe Halloween costumes

Ā Ā Ā 
ā€” LOL at Janeā€™s character being named ā€œJoan Faceā€. Also, a rare change of pace not seeing Jane play a talk show host with her own name.
ā€” Great to see Irwin Mainway back, after his classic debut in the previous seasonā€™s Christmas episode.
ā€” As usual, some very funny dangerous toys so far, especially Invisible Pedestrian.
ā€” Jane has started a coughing fit that she seems to be having trouble getting out of.
ā€” I liked Jane indignantly saying that ā€œJohnny Human Torch ā€ is nothing more than oily rags and a lighter.
ā€” I like how at the end when the camera panned above the set and into the audience, you can see the Weekend Update set directly behind this sketchā€™s set. Thatā€™s also interesting since this sketchā€™s only two performers are also the two Update anchors.
STARS: ****


ANYONE CAN HOST
BIM plugs Anyone Can Host Contest while MOD disqualifies entries


ā€” Is this gonna be a sequel to Billā€™s famous ā€œI donā€™t think Iā€™m making it on the showā€ piece? Billā€™s dressed in the exact same outfit he wore in that sketch. And judging from the huge pile of letters on the desk, I guess this is going to be him reading fan mail. Why is Oā€™Donoghue there, though?
ā€” Oh, this is actually an Anyone Can Host follow-up segment.
ā€” Oā€™Donoghue deadpan-edly calling out the minor flaws of some of the postcards (ā€œsmudged cornerā€, ā€œuneven marginsā€, ā€œtyping errorā€, etc) is really funny.
ā€” Bill to viewers: ā€œLorne Michaels is willing to take a chance on an unknown, just like he did with me. Heck, this time next year, you can have my job.ā€ LOL, did Bill really think he was still in danger of getting fired? Heā€™s been doing undeniably well so far this season, and has come a long way from his awkward days as a newbie in season 2. Iā€™m sure viewers came to like him by this point. Eh, Iā€™m probably looking too much into what was simply a funny throwaway line.
ā€” I like how Bill ended this with his smarmy, playful ā€œget out of here, ya knuckleheads!ā€ catchphrase that weā€™ve been hearing a lot this season. Itā€™s almost become a personal game for me to predict when heā€™ll say it in sketches/Update segments where he either plays himself or a character like himself.
ā€” I donā€™t usually rate these Anyone Can Host segments where itā€™s usually just Lorne or a cast member straightforwardly explaining the rules, but this one actually had a lot of humor in it, as well as a funny performance from both Bill and Michael, soā€¦ā€¦
STARS: ***Ā½


SAMURAI DRY CLEANERS
Futabaā€™s antics cause host to break character

Ā 
ā€” Futaba!
ā€” I like Charles ruining the sketch with his constant little fourth wall-breaking comments while Gilda keeps trying to shush him.
ā€” I got a good laugh from Charles actually reading Johnā€™s fake Japanese gibberish off the cue cards
ā€” Good ending with a frustrated John angrily destroying the table with the sword after his sketch has been ruined.
STARS: ***


WEEKEND UPDATE
NBC Dancing N hands DAA a filler bulletin as an excuse for dancing
BIM criticizes one-man theater for being cheap
silent DAA mimes news stories for silent film buffs
FBI agent (GAM) refutes claims of Jimmy Hoffaā€™s skeleton being found

Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 
ā€” I liked the opening bit with Pardo reading ā€œJane Curtinā€ backwards (ā€œEnaj Nitrucā€).
ā€” Another review from Bill ā€œnow get out of here, ya knuckleheadsā€ Murray.
ā€” Some funny lines here and there, but overall, Billā€™s done better commentaries that this. Also, the bit with him telling bad ant puns seemed out-of-character for his Update role.
ā€” Loved the ā€œNews For the Silent Movie Buffā€ segment. Dan may have been considered by many to be a poor Update anchor (Iā€™m personally still up in the air about him; he had a disastrous second Update, but he hasnā€™t been TOO bad yet in the other Updates so far, despite occasional flashes of awkwardness), but this silent movie bit was something he was absolutely PERFECT for. It also reminded me of some of the random fun side bits that Jimmy Fallon and Tina Fey would do in their Updates decades later.
ā€” Is this Garrettā€™s first appearance of the whole night?
ā€” I liked the ā€œthe baby is holding his ownā€ punchline to Janeā€™s news story about fetuses experiencing sexual stimulation in the womb.
STARS: ***


SIMON & GARFUNKEL
host as Art Garfunkel & musical guest try to do ā€œThe Sound of Silenceā€
Art Garfunkel [real] halts hostā€™s pitiful ā€œBridge Over Troubled Waterā€

Ā Ā Ā 
ā€” Haha, oh my god at Grodin in that Garfunkel wig.
ā€” I like Grodin defending his not knowing lyrics by saying heā€™s learning them as they go along.
ā€” Itā€™s over already? This wasnā€™t quite as funny as I wanted it to be.
ā€” Oh, wait, now Grodinā€™s starting another song after Paul walked off.
ā€” Him singing the wrong lyrics to ā€œBridge Over Troubled Waterā€ is hilarious, especially the random bad attempt at a high note.
ā€” Interesting that theyā€™re actually replaying audio of what he just sang.
ā€” Hmm, the real Art Garfunkel has shown up.Ā  Doesnā€™t he actually host later this season?Ā  Canā€™t imagine how that episode went.
ā€” That was great, with Garfunkel bluntly saying ā€œChuck, hand it overā€ and Grodin shamefully pulling off his wig and handing it to Garfunkel.
ā€” Great ending to an overall solid sketch. I really liked the way all of this built up.
STARS: ****


THE KILLER BEES
hostā€™s unpreparedness ruins skit about trick-or-treating Killer Bees
JOB & GIR confront host about his absence at rehearsals

Ā Ā Ā 
ā€” Another example of Grodin breaking the fourth wall and Gilda shushing him while John and the others try desperately to keep the sketch going.
ā€” This also keeps alive the general recurring theme of Killer Bees sketches always getting ā€œruinedā€ by something.
ā€” I liked Grodin over-questioning the logic of the Bees and starting a chain reaction of the cast members themselves also questioning it.
ā€” I really liking Johnā€™s passionate ā€œIā€™m a professionalā€ rant. Not quite as funny as his angry rant to Rob Reiner in the Bees sketch from Reinerā€™s episode, but itā€™s still good.
ā€” Funny how Grodin keeps moving his head along to the flailing antennae on Johnā€™s head while Johnā€™s ranting seriously.
ā€” Love how Johnā€™s rant ended with him declaring Grodin ā€œthe lamest host weā€™ve ever hadā€.
STARS: ***Ā½


BROWNIE
young girl Judy Miller (GIR) pretends to star in her own television show

Ā Ā Ā 
ā€” The famous Judy Miller sketch! I didnā€™t know that was in this episode. Then again, I think this ended up becoming a recurring sketch, so who knows if this is even the version of the sketch Iā€™m thinking of (the one thatā€™s often shown in highlight reels and compilation specials like ā€œThe Women of SNLā€).
ā€” Gilda is adorable and eerily dead-on as this hyperactive bouncy child character, and itā€™s a lot of fun to watch her throughout this.
ā€” Okay, thereā€™s the well-known part with her repeatedly throwing herself against the door, which I guess proves this IS the version often shown in specials. BTW, I remember hearing she broke a rib doing that. I always wondered if thatā€™s true or not.
ā€” Jane as the off-camera mother yelling at Gilda to quiet down throughout this is adding a very realistic feel to this already very accurate, true-to-life piece.
ā€” Overall, a wonderful sketch, and an excellent sample of so many things that made Gilda a beloved performer.
STARS: ****Ā½

PROFESSIONAL SCHOOL OF FOOTBALL
The Professional School of Football can make you a pro athlete, says GAM

Ā Ā 
ā€” I almost thought this was going to be some kind of follow-up to that Ambassador Training Institute commercial from season 1.
ā€” The repeated ā€œgroin injuryā€ option in the multiple choice questions is kinda funny and reminds me of the ā€œMesopotamiaā€ running joke in the ATM bank sketch from season 2. That one was definitely funnier, though.
ā€” Overall, this was forgettable filler. Garrettā€™s had a long streak of unimpressive solo sketches these last two seasons.
STARS: **


AUDIENCE CAPTION

Ā 
ā€” Haha, funny use of tonightā€™s running premise, by having a confused Grodin spotted in the audience. Reminds me of when they did that with Gilda in the episode where she was being ā€œphased outā€.


MUSICAL PERFORMANCE


HIRE THE INCOMPETENT
host speaks on behalf of incompetents like Roseanne Roseannadanna (GIR)
host finally gets to sing his song about his feelings about life

Ā Ā Ā 
ā€” Billā€™s dopey testimonial about making grocery bagging mistakes is really funny. ā€œEggs bottom, cans top.ā€
ā€” This feels like Laraineā€™s first appearance of whole night, until I remembered there was a Coneheads sketch earlier. Geez, Laraine was even more underused tonight than Garrett, and thatā€™s saying something. When it comes to airtime in this cast, those two seem to be the low man on the totem pole.
ā€” The debut of Roseanne Rosannadanna! Knowing she would go on to become a hugely popular Weekend Update-only character, it feels weird seeing her as an unnamed random character among other unnamed random characters giving testimonials in a sketch.
ā€” Also, itā€™s interesting how we got the debut of two of Gildaā€™s most beloved characters in the same night.
ā€” The Rosannadanna testimonial has been the funniest part of this sketch so far, and itā€™s making me kinda look forward to her future Update appearances. I just hope I donā€™t get as sick of her as quickly as I got sick of Emily Litellaā€™s frequent appearances. Rosannadannaā€™s an inherently funnier character, IMO, so I donā€™t see myself getting TOO fatigued from her.
ā€” I remember the aforementioned 60-minute syndicated version I saw of this episode abruptly cut this sketch off right after Grodinā€™s befuddled facial reaction to Gildaā€™s testimonial. I guess that edit was made for time reasons?
ā€” Grodin insulting himself as a host, then stopping and saying ā€œWait, Iā€™ve never seen that cue card beforeā€ made me laugh a lot.
ā€” Grodinā€™s intentionally bad short song was pretty funny.
STARS: ***Ā½


GOODNIGHTS

Ā 
ā€” Tonightā€™s running premise concludes with Grodin revealing they were just kidding and John (jokingly) brushing him off with a ā€œYeah, whateverā€ type of attitude.


IMMEDIATE POST-SHOW THOUGHTS:
ā€” I mentioned earlier that in my previous viewing of this episode in early 2002, I was underwhelmed by how the whole ā€œGrodin missed dress rehearsalā€ running premise turned out. Iā€™m not quite sure what 17-year-old me was thinking back then, because I enjoyed the concept MUCH more tonight. It was pulled off well, was interesting to watch the fourth wall constantly break, and added a fun vibe throughout the show. There were also several strong, memorable sketches unrelated to tonightā€™s running premise (Coneheads Halloween, Consumer Probe, Judy Miller). All of these positive aspects add up to a very solid episode.
ā€” It tickles me that some SNL fans actually think the whole gimmick with Grodin being lost on how to do the show was REAL.
ā€” IIRC, the only other time an SNL episode would try a running meta-premise of ā€œthe host isnā€™t on the same page as the castā€ is when Garry Shandling hosted in 1987. You could also argue the Jason Patric episode from 1994 made a slight attempt at that, but BOY did that particular one not turn out well at all.
ā€” I canā€™t wait until the next ā€œconceptual episodeā€ SNL does later this season, with the Attack of the Atomic Lobsters in the Robert Klein episode. Iā€™ve never seen it before, but have heard so many good things.


HOW THIS EPISODE STACKS UP AGAINST THE PRECEDING ONE (Hugh Hefner):
ā€” a step up

My full set of screencaps for this episode is here


TOMORROW:

Ray Charles

27 Replies to ā€œOctober 29, 1977 ā€“ Charles Grodin / Paul Simon (S3 E4)ā€

  1. Whatā€™s weird is that large chunks of this episode (the two Halloween sketches and Judy Miller) have been constantly shown in ā€œbest ofā€ compilations, yet theyā€™re some of the few sketches not to be related to the central premise of the show. I do think it was smart not having that appear in every sketch, and whether by fluke or not, those three sketches are all excellent as well.

    I agree that Laraine and Garrett soon fell themselves on the low end of the totem pole. While I think this was fairly predicable for Garrett (sadly), I remember after watching season one, Laraine seemed way more prominent and successful than Jane, who seemed stuck in an inordinate amount of ā€œstraight womanā€ and meaningless parts. By season two, Jane parlayed the straight woman gig into Weekend Update and began appearing in more and more prominent sketch roles, while Laraine seemed to stagnate and disappear.

  2. I canā€™t believe there are people to this day who assume this was real, and Grodin skipped dress and then was totally unpreparedā€¦ and that heā€™s banned from the show. He appeared in the Lorne-produced ā€œPaul Simon Specialā€ several months AFTER this episode!

    1. I was one of those people initially. That was only because part of this episode was part of a Coneheads VHS compilation and this was sandwiched between two Steve Martin-hosted episodes. In that, Charles Gordin only appeared in the monologue and goodnights/ As well, only the three sketches Michael mentioned were in the rest of the show.

      One clue this was all a gad was when Don Pardo introduced Charles Grodin, he knew to mug for the camera like hosts before him.

    2. The Paul Simon Special (co-starring Grodin as the ā€œdirectorā€) aired a few weeks after this episode, in early December.

      Fun fact: Grodin recommended Jon Lovitz to Lorne after Lovitz had a small role in a film Grodin was starring in

  3. I was actually in the audience for the dress rehearsal for SNL that night. I can 100% confirm that Charles Grodin was there! The dress rehearsal ran longer than the show, about 2 hours, so they could decide which skits the audience liked best. Both Paul and Art were there too. I will never forget it.

    1. I just watched this on Hulu and during the goodbyes at the end, I was interesting watching Paul Simon completely ignore Art Garfunkel on the stage with him. That said, the Hulu edit cuts off before the credits end, so I donā€™t know if they did interact past the point I saw, but Paul looked as if he was doing anything to get off that stage.

  4. On tonightā€™s season finale, a bumper of Charles Grodin from this ep was shown after ā€œWeekend Updateā€. By the way, tonightā€™s show was mostly hilarious!

    1. What an amazing to end an amazing era for SNL (if that happens.). Tonightā€™s episode was easily the best of the season. They truly saved the best for last. And I canā€™t wait to see whatā€™s in store for next season.

  5. So let the speculation begin I guess? Cecily def. feels like sheā€™s leaving after that send off on Update. Her, Kate, and Aidy all seemed emotional in the CO as well like it was their last show. Plus Pete thanked the audience for watching him grow up on the show. Another sign?

  6. Yeah, Cecily looked like she was ready to ditch her Jeanne Pirro impression the way she carried on drunkenly like that coming into that way big drinking glass!

  7. I think from this point on, Jane is called ā€œJoan Faceā€ whenever sheā€™s interviewing Danā€™s Irwin Mainway. And I think I may have watched this ep live as an under-12 kid at the time because I at least remember seeing Paul Simon performing ā€œSlip Slidinā€™ Awayā€ that night before hearing it on the car radio for the first time after church the following dayā€¦

  8. Watching the live version now. Gilda is definitely soft-pedaling her slams against the door. I was thinking there was no way she broke her rib but now that the commenter explained she broke them in dress it makes total sense. She must have really gone for it in dress. Ouch!! Poor Gilda.

  9. This to me is one of my favorite old first 5 season SNL episodes.

    It has the extremely talented humble and witty, Charles Grodon.

    I love every sketch he appears in but the one I think of the most is when he attempts to play with Paul Simon in that ridiculous Art Garfunkel wig. Then as Iā€™m watching this, Iā€™m thinking of a quote from the movie ā€œthis is 40ā€ where Paul Rudd is arguing with his wife about how he is Art, and she is Paul, and basically how much it sucks to be the number two man.

    Anyways, I love that sketch. I love it when Art comes on and tells him to take off the wig.

    I never thought the dress rehearsal thing was real, I loved the premise of him buying gifts and then forgetting one, and then John exchanging a gift cause he liked Bills I think moreā€¦however, I did believe he was banned from SNL for well, up until the last month or so when I stumbled on this website and looked it up myself. But it never made sense to me because he seemed so innocent and sweet, so while Iā€™ve never seen all the failed banned members, Milton Berle I think is one that comes to mind, who is so old, and the only way I know of him was cause he was in an episode in 90210 in which Steve looks after him in a nursing home for an episode or two, only to learn he has dementia. But I never watched the SNL episode. He was hard to watch on 90210, and this was my first time (in my late 20s), so I donā€™t know how Iā€™ll get with his SNL appearance.
    That being said, I had only seen this episode once. When I rewatched it a week ago, I was kinda surprised at how much of an asshole John Belushi acted to him during his samari sketch. I def didnā€™t find that to be part of the sketch, despite ā€œChuckā€ ruining his it (sorry I donā€™t find that sketch, the bees, ugh those bees, and the Gilda ā€œJudy Millerā€ sketch is like nails on a chalk board to me).

    I donā€™t dislike these people, though I think Belushi is semi overrated, but Gilda is very funny, but donā€™t like her when she plays these over the top childish roles. Itā€™s very similar to how Kristin Wigg had good moments on SNL, for instance I love the Californians and 2 a holes sketches, but the Gilly sketches are awful. I donā€™t mind her being a target Walmart checkout person but then those sketches seem repetitive as she uses such a similar voice, actions, etc, the novelty wears off. This isnā€™t to say Wigg is a more talented actor than the great Gilda, but just a reminder that I wish SNL would not overdue things so much, as from my experience in watching various seasons, I notice my fav cast member might be in a sketch, but not a fan of that sketch, and I donā€™t think he is either, and it appears the following week and so on. So I just wish they would pump the breaks- the bees is a perfect example of that. It is so freaking dumb IMO, I know it isnā€™t my first and wonā€™t be my last but it might have been ok the first time, but I can imagine so many other uses of talent these cast members had.

    Anyways, aside from what I stated I canā€™t stand, I loved the consumer probe, and despite my hatred for the bees and samari, I was able to stomach it cause Grodon made it interesting.

    I do wonder what it was like after the episode, if they had an after party and what the mood was like, and also if Belushi was just coming down from some bad blow when he snapped at Grodon, itā€™s really hard for me to get a gist from the ending credits, so just a thought. But this def sticks with me, and only wish Grodon had hosted later on in the 90s or so, even the 80s, but he would have been a good host after his huge breakout role as the dad in Beethoven (excuse my awful spelling).

  10. Iā€™m pretty sure it was for Halloween in ā€™78 and not ā€™77, but you are correctā€¦friends of my parents were Coneheads for a Halloween party.

    1. Thank you for this Jesse! It really is nice to have these somewhere. Itā€™s so disappointing to watch the chopped up shortened versions on Peacock.

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